As a candidate, Donald J. Trump called for a total Muslim ban. Now that he’s president, the courts won’t let him forget it. And as the White House fights to protect the travel ban, we discuss the immigration story of our vice president, Mike Pence. Guests: Adam Liptak, the Supreme Court reporter for The New York Times; Sheryl Gay Stolberg, The Times’s domestic affairs correspondent. For more information on today’s episode, visit http://nyti.ms/2nQS8lw.

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