Dave and Joel discuss whether you can be friends with someone who has awful opinions. Dave expends too much energy raging against something he heard on daytime television. According to Ellen DeGeneres, George W. Bush is simply another person whose opinion she disagrees with, but who nonetheless is kind and virtuous. When do someone’s political actions go beyond the realm of ‘opinion’ to something much more serious? What does friendship with a political leader look like? Why is it so hard for members of liberal democracies to imagine a truly evil act emerging from their own political system? All this and more on a rant-filled Eucatastrophe.