This is a conversation between leading Design Thinking author and Thought Leader Dr Puleng Makhoalibe, and Higher Self Coach Mothepa Masina. Instead of me having an interview with a woman, I wanted to bring you two inspired women. They recorded this conversation as part of Mothepa’s larger work to interview leading thinkers for her Higher Self coaching platform. These two women have built themselves up from humble beginnings to revolutionise thinking in their industries.