Content note: this episode discusses the loss of children, a fatal hit-and-run, gun violence, and suicide.

What happens when grief refuses to stay quiet — and starts demanding a reason?

Dionne and Yvette welcome Shamayim "Mama Shu" Harris — educator, activist, and founder of Avalon Village, the urban oasis she built from reclaimed land in Highland Park, Michigan. A CNN Hero finalist and USA Today Woman of the Year, Mama Shu has turned blight into gardens and homes, and profound loss into purpose.

She shares the losses that shaped her path — her mother, Mama Christine, and her sons Jacobi Ra and Chinyelu — and how she let grief build something rather than bury her. Plus the "joy virus," her mayoral run, and a moment of aché.

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