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Sam and Jim invite Jovanna in to the room and together they work on her demon hunting fantasy story, tentatively titled "The Watchers".

Join us for a discussion about creating art from grief, the pitfalls of talismans, and using specificity to overcome tropes and make a story stand out.

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Producer: J.R. Zamora-Thal
Logo Design: Julien Debar-Monclair, @jude.orange
Music: Buddha Rays, @buddharays