In this episode of the Creative Writing Wizard Podcast, we sit down with fantasy author E. Scott Clevenger, co-founder of Sainan Books, to talk about how a lifelong Dungeons & Dragons Dungeon Master became a published novelist—and accidentally built a publishing house in the process.

We dive deep into:

- Co-writing War of Night

- The balance between plotting vs pantsing

- Crafting a queer normative world and layered magic systems

- Lessons from self-publishing, failures along the way, and building a community

- Lifting other indie authors along the way

If you’re a writer, fantasy reader, or indie author, this one’s for you.

💬 Got questions or thoughts? Drop them in the comments!

📚 Learn more about E. Scott and Sainan Books:

👉 https://sainanbooks.com/

📖 Check out War of Night

✨ Available now in its stunning second edition!

https://sainanbooks.com/books/

🔗 Follow E. Scott on Threads and Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/sainanbooks/

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Intro and Outro Themes written and recorded by Glen Weatherhead

Keywords:Fantasy author, self-publishing, creative writing, indie books, writing podcast, author interview, queer fantasy, plotter vs pantser, magic systems, DnD to author, stephen king