In Episode 38 of The Chief Exchange Podcast, we dive into the unique journey of Fire Chief Chuck Ryan of the Tucson Fire Department. From a career in law to leading a major fire department, Chief Ryan shares his unconventional path and the lessons he’s learned along the way. Discover his approach to tackling budget challenges, a game-changing strategy for increasing workforce retention, and his thoughts on strengthening recruitment in an era of shallow applicant pools. Tune in for insights on the power of patience, the importance of communication, and more. This episode is packed with wisdom for leaders looking to make a lasting impact in their organizations.