In this episode, Jason talks with author and public theologian Dillon Naber Cruz about his journey from the Marines to pacifism, the war in Israel/Palestine, the Trump effect on Evangelicalism, Christian Nationalism, and a lot more.

From Marine to Pacifist with Dillon Naber Cruz

Hosted by Lola Robbins, Kyle Butler, and Jason Elam, The Messy Spirituality Podcast features conversations about life, God, spirituality, and becoming a better human.

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From Marine to Pacifist with Dillon Naber Cruz

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