Bruce Chen is a Marketer turned L&D Professional, and currently the CEO of Kochasoft's LMS Division. He also has his own podcast, The Makeshift CMO.

And what was interesting about our conversation was getting some insight from Bruce about L&D, that was pretty much an outsider's perspective. As a marketer first, he had some compelling analysis about L&D and how hit overlaps with marketing, and where the future of Learning and Development is headed.

Give this episode a listen, especially if you have some interest in marketing. Bruce has a solid vision, and you'll probably learn something new.