What if God’s love for you feels both deeply comforting and unbearably demanding? 

In this raw, unscripted spiritual dialogue, Ernie and Robby wrestle with the paradoxes of grace, obedience, and intimacy. From Africa to Gethsemane, marriage to mentorship, they explore how to move from a scarcity mindset to an abundance worldview—where God is not distant and demanding but present and empowering.

This isn’t a teaching. It’s a showing. A revealing. A dismantling of armor.

Whether you’re a disciple-maker, spiritual entrepreneur, or someone learning to hear and experience God in the midst of responsibility and relational struggle—this conversation invites you to be seen, undone, and transformed.

Listen if you’ve ever asked:

• Can I be fully loved and still be called to suffer?
• How do I help others know God without pushing them or protecting myself?
• What does it mean to die to self in the context of love?

This episode may not answer your questions—but it just might give you permission to ask better ones.