This episode is part 2 of a conversation with Sam Amis, former Nike footwear and "innovation kitchen" designer and Director of Product Design at The James Brand, and Malcolm Lee, SVP of Financial Center Design at Bank of America. Sam and Malcom each have more than a decade of experience progressing their careers through a variety of design roles at boutique firms, high end consultancies, startups, and large corporations. In this episode we discuss the transition from focusing on craft and execution to setting a vision for other creatives as design leaders. They’ll also share memorable educational moments, and the joy of finding and translating creative inspiration from unexpected sources. University of Cincinnati architecture student Alex Phinney also joins the conversation. This episode was recorded on location at The James Brand in Portland, OR.