Ellie is a rad woman with whom I became quite good friends over the pandemic lockdown. We originally met up with her boondocking with some of our other vanlife friends on BLM land outside of Bend, OR. Since then, we've kept in touch and keep meeting up to hang out whenever we're in the same area. I was stoked to finally get to sit down and record a conversation with her about her transition into van life and outlook on the whole situation.