This week, your favorite trio of co-hosts embark on another journey into the strange and bewildering world of modern work culture, this time alongside the incomparable Dr. Han Ren (she/they). Dr. Ren is a licensed clinical and school psychologist, consultant, speaker and educator whose work is deeply rooted in liberation and anti-oppressive ideals, practicing from a justice-oriented, interpersonal, culturally-humble, and systems-informed framework.

In this conversation, we dissect the elephant in the cubicle — burnout. We all know it, feel it, and do not love it, so we sat down to discuss some of the reasons why things feel so bad recently, and get some hot tips from Dr. Ren on how to escape the clutches of burnout without losing our last ounce of sanity. As a bonus, Abhainn gets clarity on what it means to be put “on the roof,” Danielle advocates for meditation before meetings, and Dr. Ren outs themself as someone who may or may not have watched some reality tv recently.