As promised, here is the extended version of Sarah and Kristin's talk with Hillel Levin, author of "In With The Devil" with James Keene, "When Corruption Was King" with Robert Cooley, and "Grand Delusions: The Cosmic Career of John DeLorean."

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Music: “Dead By Dawn” by Karl Casey - White Bat Audio

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