Instead of 'Boys Will Be Boys', what if we say 'Boys will be caring, boys will be respectful...' Estelle talks to Robb McCann for White Ribbon Day, and how we can create positive male role models. If you have boys, there are easy ways to talk to them, and Robb explains how. Then, brave kids have learnt first aid and saved lives - we hear about the amazing work of Hato Hone St John, which teaches kids first aid skills in schools. Then, Estelle's daughter Ava is expecting snow on Christmas Day...Estelle's filling in for Megan Papas, enjoy the podcast.

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