This is the full interview version of our conversation with Chad Butler.

Chad previously worked in product security at Amazon and was involved with Prime Air, Amazon's drone delivery program. He joins Joe Patti and Adam Roth to talk about drone delivery, FAA rules, GPS spoofing, detect-and-avoid, ADS-B, autonomous vehicles, AI agents, and the engineering culture needed when software failures can become physical-world safety failures.

Topics include:

• Prime Air and product security
• commercial drone delivery risk
• Part 107 and Part 108
• beyond visual line of sight operations
• GPS spoofing and drone capture
• detect-and-avoid vs right of way
• ADS-B tradeoffs
• why pilots may not reliably see drones
• autonomous vehicles and AI agents
• adversarial inputs and edge cases
• public trust after catastrophic failures
• Challenger, Feynman, and ignored engineering warnings