Stephanie knows Top Chef judge, food writer and cookbook author Gail Simmons. But she doesn't know Gail's origin story.

Stephanie Cmar and her cohost Joel Murphy talk to Gail about her earlier days in New York kitchens, her career at Food and Wine magazine and her life-changing kibbutz in Israel.

You can support the show and your local bookstores by purchasing Gail's books or any book mentioned on the show through our bookshop.

• Theme Song: "Exotica" by Juanitos
• Additional Music: "Acoustic Meditation" by Jason Shaw

Stephanie Knows Some Shit is part of the Peak Sloth Podcast Network. Hear more shows at PeakSloth.com.