This is part 2 of Khari Douglas' interview with Dr. Erik Verlage, a research scientist at MIT who creates digital learning tools for photonics education. He is developing 3-D virtual lab environments that allow users to interact with micron-scale photonic circuit components, enabling self-directed learning for the emerging photonics workforce. His research areas include integrated photonics, photovoltaic materials, and photoelectrochemistry. In this episode, Erik continues to discuss building educational games and using games, virtual reality, and augmented reality for job training. If you're interested in playing one of the games mentioned on the podcast, you can reach Erik Verlage at [email protected].