Two Exeter Chiefs legends discuss their career rise with the Chiefs, transitioning from the Championship to the Premiership. Both have gone on to find themselves in coaching since hanging up their boots. Jess talks openly and honestly about his 'mental' struggle since leaving the game, losing the identity of being a professional rugby player. Whilst Steenson explains how a garage shed project, ended up being the inspiration of an Exeter city centre Irish Bar, 'The Stand Off'.