In this episode, Shaun and Chris meet with Dr. Gary Barker, Co-Founder and CEO of Equimundo: Center for Masculinities and Social Justice. Among other topics, the boys explore sabbaticals, living in Chicago, being an ally, doing two things at the same time, bravery, Gary’s dad, caring for men, gender equity, and more.

You can learn more about Gary and Equimundo here.

Watch Gary’s TedTalk here.

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