Conversation recorded in March 2020 with General John Hartley, CEO of Future Directions International (FDI www.futuredirections.org.au ) ,an independent, not-for-profit Research Institute, about the organisation and its work. FDI was established in 2000, by Major General (Retd) the Honourable Michael Jeffery (former Governor General of Australia) and Sir Charles Court, together with a small group of leading Australians, to conduct comprehensive research of important medium to long-term issues facing Australia.