Is literature a political force? Yes, says George Saunders.

In this episode, he talks about Trump, civility and the public discourse of our time. On Kindness and Meanness. On form and revision. Voice, memory and empathy, and of course about the living and the dead.

Music by Kingocito and Sandra Kolstad. Artwork by Julius Vidarssønn Langhoff.

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