Eliza thought everyone knew about the concept of the 'mental load': a term for the invisible labor involved in managing a household and family.

But the phrase wasn't on Geraldine's radar. As they discuss it, both women talk about how they remember all the little tasks in life, and how they're preparing for Christmas.

Also in this episode: Geraldine's two-day ethics conference in Melbourne.

Should we worry about nuclear warfare?

And Eliza celebrates her birthday.

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