Pastor Andy is out, but Pastor Matt is joined by Cody Reid for a bold and honest conversation about what it really means to be the Church. From spiritual growth vs. numerical growth, to the fear pastors face when sharing the mic, this episode challenges the cruise-ship model of ministry and calls believers to get in the water and live out their faith.

🔥 Topics include:

• Being vs. doing
• Rest and retreat for pastors
• Discipleship in everyday life
• Why empowering others matters more than performance
• And a powerful preview of next episode’s topic: Scaffolding in the Church