Join Joel and Chris as they spend time with Angel Perez, the new CEO of NACAC (National Association for College Admission Counseling). Angel is a visionary leader, and as the first new CEO of NACAC in over 20 years, his influence could have great impact within college admissions. Joel met Angel as part of the CEO Search Committee and Chris spent three years on the board of directors of NACAC. Enjoy this unique interview Angel Perez.

Music is "Heartless Man" by Normcore.