If you know Pepe the Frog, it’s probably as a meme that white nationalists used to spread hate on the internet. But Pepe started out as a lovable character in a little-known webcomic created by cartoonist Matt Furie. This week on Get WIRED, Senior Editor Angela Watercutter interviews the filmmakers of the new documentary Feels Good Man about Pepe, meme magic, and Matt’s journey to try to take Pepe back from the trolls.