Today's episode is a candid and vulnerable one for me. Recently my wife and I decided to end our marriage. The couple months leading up to that decision were filled with emotional ups and downs. I wanted to bring on a close friend, Heidi Savell, who's been through similar stuff, and talk about what it's like to be a counselor while feeling emotionally upset and mentally preoccupied. We talk about how I've handled it so far, what I could have done better, how hard it can be to be present for your clients when you're not feeling grounded and much more.