Kai Cheng Thom revisits the themes from her talk "When Things Fall Apart: Conflict, Crisis and Collective Healing in Activist Moments" in a conversation led by Lindsey Nkem and Patchworks podcast co-host Rodney Stehr live at Green College. She asks how can we do conflict in a better way - and how can we avoid the tempting rush towards solutions or punishment when facing a conflict where so much is at stake?