In the previous episode, I recorded a spontaneous 4AM reflection about getting older and the quiet fear many people feel but rarely articulate: the fear of becoming irrelevant.

This episode continues that conversation — but this time Francois is in the studio.

After listening to the first episode on his way to the recording, Francois arrives with questions, challenges, and reflections of his own. What follows is a wide-ranging conversation about curiosity, relevance, experience, and the strange recalibration that happens as we move through our fifties and sixties.

We explore why curiosity might be one of the most powerful antidotes to ageing — not just psychologically, but biologically. Dopamine, anticipation, and the simple human need to keep exploring the world. And we ask a deeper question ... Is growing older really the problem — or is it losing curiosity?

You’ll walk away with three simple reminders:

• Practice gratitude for the life you’ve lived

• Share your experience with younger generations

• Stay relentlessly curious

Because ageing is inevitable.

But irrelevance is optional.

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