"When I was an executor I was an asshole. I was on the bottom floor being the bulldog saying, I want it now. I want it this way," she tells me. "Now it's, Where do you think we can go? How are we going to get there? There's a lot more 'we' that happens."

We're speaking of lessons learned on the job and advice from Simon Sinek's latest book, Leaders Eat Last, and we're laughing, a lot.