In this episode Jess and Beth discuss the legacy of racial injustice in the UK and the US, the Black Lives Matter movement, and the lessons from other countries as we seek to acknowledge and dismantle structural racism. 

Later in the episode they're joined by Stan Henkeman, the Executive Director of the Institute for Justice and Reconciliation (IJR) in Cape Town, South Africa, to talk about the country's Truth & Reconciliation Commission, the ongoing work to address racial economic imbalances, and the need for sustained dialogue.

Special thanks to our producer Mike Boucher at Sonic Pictures.