In this episode Catherine is joined by Gina McCarthy, Former White House "Czarina" & head of America's All In. Gina is tough, funny, and all about delivery!

We dig into how to turn targets into action—build coalitions, speak like a human (health, jobs, fairness), and stay hopeful while acting with a backbone. So many awesome stories from Kigali to the West Wing!

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This episode was recorded on Riverside.fm in August 2025.