Austin Sawyer, who makes music as Drumming Bird, joins Carson and Joey to talk about "the turn" of the American Idiot tracklist. They discuss films such as Surf's Up, Revenge of the Sith, and Wild. Listen to the end to find out if they talk about Green Day at all!

Drumming Bird has new music out on Bandcamp this week with 100% of proceeds going to grassroots Palestinian aid groups and Tennessee Immigrant advocacy groups.