Don’t be scared—embrace a new episode! Joe Carolino (Chief Creative Officer at Thesis) joins Sean to talk website frenemies, screamo aesthetics, and what the scientists are right about. It’s a beautiful mess!

You can find Joe online at joecarolino.com, or on Instagram @joeambrocio. Joe’s portfolio is also where you can go to check out the Flybox card series we talked about during the episode—go get some grunge-cubist sport card goodness!

This episode was recorded Monday, July 24, 2023.

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