This interview is with Dr. Amber Garrison Duncan, Strategy Director for the Lumina Foundation.  In 2008, the Lumina Foundation asked: What is it that Americans need to access living wage jobs? The conclusion: By 2025, at least 60% of Americans will need a high quality post secondary credential.  Since the Lumina Foundation focuses on all learning beyond high school, this opens and includes a range of pathways.  Further, the foundation asked, “What are the skills and competencies needed for employment?”  Their work has shaped frameworks and policies that inform and influence the many complexities of this credentialing space.