Author of "Goal Free Living" -- Stephen M. Shapiro is interviewed on this edition of The Innovise Guys. In part one of this two part podcast, Stephen talks about how he intended to write a book about creativity --but took a left turn into something much different and more powerful on a nationwide interviewing tour. The guys have fun singing snatches of "Goal Free" -- a parody of the old chesnut "Born Free". Some typical Innovise Guys improvisational tangents and funny stories with profound points from Stephen punctuate this lively interview.