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In this powerful episode of Robert the Realist, we sits down with Pat Gwinner to hear his testimony of redemption, faith, and transformation. Pat shares his journey of being in and out of jail, the struggles that shaped him, and how God used those experiences to completely change the direction of his life.

Now, instead of letting his past define him, Pat uses it to reach others through jail ministry with Family Life Fellowship. His story is a reminder that no one is too far gone, and that God can turn even the hardest chapters into a purpose-filled calling.