Episode 4 of Diverse, A Tea and host Mary Wisforden is joined by Indigenous artist, educator, and businesswoman Agnes Seaweed Wisden of Sea Wisdom Design.

They discuss a bit of true crime, the problems with capitalism, different ways to look at overcoming oppression, and how they participate in the everyday establishment.

Agnes brings the gossip/news story of Leslie Van Houten's recent release from prison.

(The Easter Egg in this episode is to listen for Mary's dog Bjorna going absolutely nuts whining for Agnes' attention)