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In Part 2 of our conversation with Heather Surls, we step into the wilderness - both the physical deserts of the Middle East and the inner deserts of the soul. Heather reflects on how displacement, suffering, and story have formed her faith in ways she never expected. She shares what it looks like to navigate the political tensions of the land while honoring deep friendships on both sides of the conflict - Palestinian and Israeli - and how peacemaking often begins with seeing the humanity in each. This conversation calls us to move beyond easy answers and into the mystery of peacemaking that’s shaped by humility, proximity, and a love that refuses to take sides. 

Heather is the author of the recently released book, Beyond The Jordan. https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Jordan-Misunderstood-Imperfect-Attempts/dp/1632968037