Whew...y'all. 

Those of you who've been with us for a while know that when Philip Joubert joins us for a conversation, it's fire. 

This time, Phil shares more about his experiences of growing up in church, what growing up in the black church gave him, how he has navigated church hurt and not let go of his faith through the process. 

Phil's insight is powerful, and he is generous in sharing his experiences and his wisdom with us. 

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