This week, hosts Michael Ruffino and Liz Brody are joined by artist, activist, and concierge of The Earth Hotel podcast Jacquie Cotillard! They discuss the second episode of VeggieTales, "God Wants Me To Forgive Them!?!," the episode that introduces Pa Grape and his dust bowl era inspired family, as well as a take off on Gilligan's Island both teaching forgiveness. They also discuss differing perspectives between Jews and Christians on unconditional forgiveness, math, talking trees, and Jacquie provides some wisdom from the Buddhist prospective.