Nathan speaks to speaker, author, and pastor Rachel Billups. Rachel is Senior Pastor at Ginghamsburg Church in Tipp City in Dayton, OH. 

In the months leading up and shifting into the pandemic, Rachel's community was faced with several challenges including a series of tornados, civil unrest in the streets, and shifting leadership within her own church. Rachel reflects on that time as some of the work she's most proud of and the lessons she learned.

Rachel speaks about how knowing yourself and being comfortable with who you are is important. Her and Nathan also talk about creating space for people and that being the first step towards helping people truly connect.  Rachel also discusses how asking good questions, being able to freely disagree, and having hard conversations is vital to be able to continue to grow and accept others as Christ would.