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Tudor Girba - Software Environmentalist and CEO of feenk
Julian Wood - Serverless Developer Advocate at AWS

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Tudor
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http://www.wooditwork.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/julianrwood

DESCRIPTION
Get a sneak peak into the concept of moldable development as a transformative approach through a discussion between Tudor Girba and Julian Wood. By emphasizing the creation of tailored, flexible tools, Girba presents a way to reduce the friction of working with complex systems and legacy code. He explores how contextualized tools, such as those provided by the Glamorous Toolkit, allow developers to engage with software environments in a more intuitive and efficient manner.

The integration of generative AI is also examined, where Girba argues that AI's true potential lies not in providing definitive answers but in assisting developers by generating hypotheses and creating tools that support deeper engagement with code. Additionally, the concept of "habitability" is introduced, proposing that software systems, like physical spaces, should be navigable and comprehensible to developers, fostering a more productive and enjoyable experience.

This vision of a future where software systems are more accessible and adaptable reflects the growing need to rethink how we interact with code, empowering developers with the tools and perspectives necessary to navigate increasingly complex digital landscapes.

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Richard P. Gabriel • Patterns of Software
Susanne Kaiser • Adaptive Systems With Domain-Driven Design, Wardley Mapping, and Team Topologies
Eric Evans • Domain-Driven Design
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies
Heidi Helfand • Dynamic Reteaming
Vlad Khononov • Learning Domain-Driven Design
Erik Schön • The Art of Strategy
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Evelyn van Kelle - Behavioral Change Consultant at Xebia
Gien Verschatse - Senior Consultant at Aardling
Kenny Baas-Schwegler - Collaborative Modeling Facilitator at Weave IT
Xin Yao - Independent Consultant Contextualizing DDD & Sociotechnical Architecture

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Evelyn
https://bsky.app/profile/evelynvankelle.bsky.social
https://evelynvankelle.com

Gien
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https://www.gienverschatse.com

Kenny
https://bsky.app/profile/kenny.weave-it.org
https://weave-it.org

Xin
https://www.linkedin.com/in/xinxin
https://bsky.app/profile/settling-mud.bsky.social

Links
https://collaborative-software-design.com
https://bsky.app/profile/collaborative-software-design.com

DESCRIPTION
In a spirited discussion on collaborative modeling and decision-making, the the authors of “Collaborative Software Design: How to Facilitate Domain Modeling Decisions”—Evelyn vVan Kelle, Gien Verschatse, and Kenny Baas-Schwegler—explored the power of inclusive decision-making, shared understanding, and how to navigate social dynamics like bias, ranking and conflict in teams together with Xin Yao.

They highlighted the importance of facilitating not just through structured methods, but by empowering everyone in the team to contribute and lead decisions. Drawing from their experiences, they shared insights into the process of making better decisions through collaboration, the impact of "Deep Democracy", and the value of being able to step back and allow teams to thrive independently. Their conversation also touched on resources like Thinking, Fast and Slow, Jam Cultures, and Sitting in the Fire—tools to help teams make smarter decisions and grow together.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
van Kelle, Verschatse &Baas-Schwegler • Collaborative Software Design
Jitske Kramer • Jam Cultures
Danielle Braun & Jitske Kramer • The Corporate Tribe
Arnold Mindell • Sitting in the Fire
Daniel Kahneman • Thinking, Fast and Slow
Ge

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Prof. Dr. Barbara Oakley - Professor of Engineering at Oakland University & Author of Numerous Books
Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant

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Barbara
https://barbaraoakley.com
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Charles
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DESCRIPTION
Barbara Oakley, renowned author and polymath joins Charles Humble for a deep dive into the brain's modes of operation, exploring the focused and diffuse modes of thinking, which together enhance learning by balancing task-oriented problem-solving with creativity.

They emphasize the importance of mental relaxation and the role of exercise, sleep, and a healthy diet in boosting cognitive function. Key concepts such as deliberate practice, retrieval practice, and the value of psychological safety in team dynamics are explored, offering insights into effective learning and collaboration. The relationship between working memory and long-term memory is examined, highlighting how techniques like the Pomodoro Technique and spaced repetition optimize retention. Additionally, the conversation underscores the potential of AI in education, encouraging its integration despite concerns among educators.

Lastly, the phenomenon of rustiness in skill retention is explained through the dynamics of neural connections, with a hopeful outlook on the future of neuroscience research in understanding conditions like autism and dyslexia.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Barbara Oakley • A Mind For Numbers
Pooja K. Agarwal & Patrice M. Bain • Powerful Teaching
Barbara Oakley & Olav Schewe • Learn Like a Pro
Barbara Oakley, Beth Rogowsky & Terrence J. Sejnowski • Uncommon Sense Teaching
Barbara Oakley & Terrence J. Sejnowski • Learning How to Learn
Barbara Oakley • Mindshift
Heidi Helfand • Dynamic Reteaming
Daniel Kahneman • Thinking, Fast and Slow
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies

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Diana Montalion - Systems Architect, Mentrix Founder & Author of "Learning Systems Thinking"
Kris Jenkins - Developer Advocate, Software Developer, Podcast Host, Conference Speaker & Geek 

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Diana
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https://learningsystemsthinking.com

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Diana Montalion • Learning Systems Thinking
Andrew Harmel-Law • Facilitating Software Architecture
Donella H. Meadows • Thinking in Systems
Donella H. Meadows • Limits to Growth
Robert M. Pirsig • Zen & the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

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Susanne Kaiser - Independent Tech Consultant & Author of "Architecture for Flow"
Michaela Greiler - Code Reviews Expert, Trainer & Consultant
Adele Carpenter - Software Engineer at Trifork
Daniel Terhorst-North - Originator of Behavior Driven Development (BDD) & Principal at Dan North & Associates
Simon Wardley - Thought Lord, Mapper, Mostly Good

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Michaela
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Adele
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Daniel
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Simon
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http://blog.gardeviance.org

DESCRIPTION
Explore the rich tapestry of what it truly means to support developers.

The conversation took a forward-looking turn as they examined the role of AI, not as a looming replacement, but as a powerful ally that enhances human creativity, much like past innovations that revolutionized workflows. They showcased how intuitive design—exemplified by tools like IntelliJ—can make a developer’s experience seamless and enjoyable.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Susanne Kaiser • Adaptive Systems With Domain-Driven Design, Wardley Mapping & Team Topologies
Simon Wardley • Wardley Maps
Simon Wardley • Wardley Mapping, The Knowledge
Matthew Casperson • DevEx as a Service
Christian Clausen • Five Lines of Code
David Anderson, Marck McCann & Michael O'Reilly • T

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Ajay Chankramath - CTO at Brillio & Co-Author of "Effective Platform Engineering"
Nic Cheneweth - Principal Consultant at Thoughtworks & Co-Author of "Effective Platform Engineering"
Bryan Oliver - Principal at Thoughtworks & Co-Author of "Effective Platform Engineering"
Sean Alvarez - CTO of Life Sciences Business at Brillio & Co-Author of "Effective Platform Engineering"
Wesley Reisz - Technical Principal at Equal Experts

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Ajay
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Nic
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Bryan
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Sean
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Wes
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Links
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain-driven_design
https://www.openpolicyagent.org

DESCRIPTION
The authors of Effective Platform Engineering—Ajay Chankramath, Sean Alvarez, Nic Cheneweth & Bryan Oliver—discuss the transformative role of platform engineering in software delivery. They highlight how platform engineering streamlines operations, enhances developer experience, and drives innovation through self-service tools

Key topics include evolutionary architecture, treating platforms as lifecycle-managed products, and using generative AI to optimize infrastructure. They also cover practical strategies for launching platform initiatives, focusing on organizational self-awareness, API boundaries, and balancing compliance with productivity. The authors aim to provide actionable insights for building adaptable platforms that drive business agility and long-term value.

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Chankramath, Cheneweth, Oliver & Alvarez • Effective Platform Engineering
Gregor Hohpe • Platform Strategy
Kate Stanley & Mickael Maison • Kafka Connect
Adrienne Braganza Tacke • "Looks Good to Me": Constructive Code Reviews
Martin Fowler • Refac

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Ian Cooper - A Polyglot Coding Architect at Just Eat
James Lewis - Software Architect & Director at Thoughtworks
Kris Jenkins - Developer Advocate, Software Developer, Podcast Host, Conference Speaker & Geek

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Ian
https://bsky.app/profile/icooper.bsky.social
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James
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https://www.bovon.org

Kris
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/krisjenkins
https://github.com/krisajenkins
http://blog.jenkster.com

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Barry O'Reilly • Unlearn
Jez Humble, Joanne Molesky & Barry O'Reilly • Lean Enterprise
Sarah Wells • Enabling Microservice Success
Sam Newman • Monolith to Microservices
Sam Newman • Building Microservices
Simon Brown • Software Architecture for Developers Vol. 2
Ronnie Mitra & Irakli Nadareishvili • Microservices: Up and Running

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Dr. Gail Murphy - Vice-President Research & Innovation & Professor of Computer Science at The University of British Columbia
Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant

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DESCRIPTION
Charles Humble interviews Dr. Gail Murphy about the challenges in software engineering today. They discuss how productivity isn’t just about lines of code but is more about focus and minimizing task-switching.

Gail also talks about the difficulty of managing the rapid evolution of system architectures, stressing the need for regular restructuring and refactoring to avoid issues like increased coupling and decreased performance. The conversation moves to open-source development, where Gail highlights how using open-source components can create complex, brittle dependencies, and the need for better communication within these ecosystems.

They wrap up by discussing the evolving role of technical leadership in navigating these challenges. [...]

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Heidi Helfand • Dynamic Reteaming
Heidi Helfand • How to Change Your Teams
Carl Larson & Frank M J LaFasto • Teamwork
Gene Kim & Steve Spear • Wiring the Winning Organization
Ichak Adizes • Managing Corporate Lifecycles
Henri Lipmanowicz & Keith McCandless • The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies
William Bridges & Susan Bridges • Transitions

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Daniel Terhorst-North - Originator of Behavior Driven Development (BDD) & Principal at Dan North & Associates
Julian Wood - Serverless Developer Advocate at AWS

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Daniel
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http://www.wooditwork.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/julianrwood
https://s12d.com/goto

DESCRIPTION
Daniel Terhorst-North and Julian Wood share decades of experience to offer a nuanced view of programming, governance, and product delivery. By framing programming as a socio-technical activity, they emphasize the critical role of collaboration, feedback, and sustainable practices.

The conversation challenges traditional governance models, advocating for hypothesis-driven product management and continuous feedback mechanisms. Through humorous anecdotes and hard-won wisdom, Terhorst-North inspires people to look beyond technical expertise to the broader ecosystem of teams, culture, and organizational alignment. [...]

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Jez Humble & David Farley • Continuous Delivery
Nicole Forsgren, Jez Humble & Gene Kim • Accelerate
Kim, Humble, Debois, Willis & Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook
Jez Humble, Joanne Molesky & Barry O'Reilly • Lean Enterprise
Heidi Helfand • Dynamic Reteaming
Heidi Helfand • How to Change Your Teams
Carl Larson & Frank M J LaFasto • Teamwork
Gene Kim & Steve Spear • Wiring the Winning Organization
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies

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Kate Stanley - Principal Software Engineer at Red Hat & Co-Author of "Kafka Connect"
Mickael Maison - Senior Principal Software Engineer at Red Hat & Co-Author of "Kafka Connect"
Danica Fine - Lead Developer Advocate, Open Source at Snowflake

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Kate
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Mickael
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Danica
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https://www.linkedin.com
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Links
https://kafka.apache.org
https://flink.apache.org
https://debezium.io
https://strimzi.io

DESCRIPTION
Danica Fine together with the authors of “Kafka Connect” Kate Stanley and Mickael Maison, unpack Kafka Connect's game-changing power for building data pipelines—no tedious custom scripts needed! Kate and Mickael Maison discuss how they structured the book to help everyone, from data engineers to developers, tap into Kafka Connect’s strengths, including Change Data Capture (CDC), real-time data flow, and fail-safe reliability.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Kate Stanley & Mickael Maison • Kafka Connect
Shapira, Palino, Sivaram & Petty • Kafka: The Definitive Guide
Viktor Gamov, Dylan Scott & Dave Klein • Kafka in Action

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