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Nathen Harvey - DORA Lead, Product Manager at Google Cloud & Author
Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant

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Nathen
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Links
https://dora.dev
https://dora.dev/research/2025/dora-report
https://dora.dev/research/2024/dora-report
https://thenewstack.io/ebooks/kubernetes/kubernetes-at-the-edge-container-orchestration-at-scale

DESCRIPTION
Charles Humble speaks with Nathen Harvey, leader of Google's DORA research team, about the real impact of AI on software development.

Drawing from surveys of nearly 5,000 practitioners, Nathen reveals a surprising finding: increased AI adoption initially correlates with decreased stability and throughput - the very metrics teams have optimized for decades. The conversation explores why this happens, what capabilities organizations need before scaling AI adoption, and how AI acts as an amplifier of existing systems rather than a silver bullet.

Nathen introduces DORA's seven AI capabilities model and discusses critical issues around trust, documentation, skill devaluation, and the future of software delivery in an AI-native world.

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Emily Freeman & Nathen Harvey • 97 Things Every Cloud Engineer Should Know • https://amzn.to/3UlWBLt
Charles Humble • Professional Skills for Software Engineers • https://www.conissaunce.com/professional-skills-shortcut
Nicole Forsgren, Jez Humble & Gene Kim • Accelerate • https://amzn.to/442Rep0
Kim, Humble, Debois, Willis & Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook • https://amzn.to/47oAf3l
Jez Humble & David Farley • Continuous Delivery • https://amzn.to/452ZRky
Jez Humble, Joanne Molesky & Barry O'Reilly • Lean Enterprise • https://amzn.to/47pcOXD
Adrienne Braganza Tacke • "Looks Good to Me": Constructive Code Reviews • https://amzn.to/3E75XrD
Yevgeniy Brikman • Fundamentals of DevOps and Software Delivery • https://amzn.to/3WMPMFU

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Alexandre Malavasi - CTO at Marelo & Author of "Modern Full-Stack Web Development with ASP.NET Core"
Albert S. Tanure - Cross Solutions Architec at Microsoft & Author of "ASP.NET Core 9 Essentials"

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Albert
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https://github.com/tanure
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https://www.codefc.io/en

DESCRIPTION
Microsoft Cloud Solution Architect Albert Tanure interviews Microsoft MVP Alexandre Malavasi about his fourth book, "Modern Full-Stack Web Development with ASP.NET Core". The discussion explores the challenges of writing comprehensive technical books, the importance of foundational knowledge in full stack development, and how to integrate ASP.NET Core with modern JavaScript frameworks like React, Angular, and Vue.js.

Alexandre emphasizes that successful architecture decisions depend primarily on team expertise and the ability to facilitate change, rather than following trends.
The conversation also highlights the critical importance of looking beyond just coding - encompassing project planning, DevOps practices, monitoring, and continuous optimization - to truly bring value to customers and become well-rounded software engineers.

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Alexandre Malavasi • Modern Full-Stack Web Development with ASP.NET Core • https://amzn.to/4pvEXnY
Alexandre Malavasi • Implementing Design Patterns in C# 11 and .NET 7 • https://amzn.to/49Capwn
Alexandre Malavasi • Enterprise Applications with C# and .NET • https://amzn.to/4iiVidk
Alexandre Malavasi • Implementing Design Patterns in C# and .NET 5 • https://amzn.to/3JU5UD2
Albert Tanure • ASP.NET Core 9 Essentials • https://amzn.to/43bH73t

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Holden Karau - Co-Founder at Fight Health Insurance
Julian Wood - Serverless Developer Advocate at AWS

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Julian
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http://www.wooditwork.com
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Resource
https://fighthealthinsurance.com

DESCRIPTION
Apache Spark contributor Holden Karau discusses the evolution of distributed data processing, the challenges of integrating machine learning with big data tools, and the technical complexities of working with GPUs at scale.

The conversation takes a personal turn as Holden reveals her latest project: an open-source AI tool that helps people appeal health insurance claim denials. Drawing from personal experiences with denied claims, she has built a system that trains on independent medical review data to generate effective appeals, making it freely available at https://fighthealthinsurance.com while grappling with the classic open-source challenge of sustainable funding.

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Holden Karau • Distributed Computing 4 Kids • https://www.distributedcomputing4kids.com
Holden Karau • Scaling Python with Dask • https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/scaling-python-with/9781098119867
Holden Karau & Boris Lublinsky • Scaling Python with Ray • https://amzn.to/44GU6cC
Holden Karau & Rachel Warren • High Performance Spark • https://amzn.to/3v2eLbn
Holden Karau, Konwinski, Wendell & Zaharia • Learning Spark • https://amzn.to/397e2NE
Holden Karau & Krishna Sankar • Fast Data Processing with Spark 2nd Edition • https://amzn.to/3xKhXKu
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Andrew Lamb - Staff Engineer at InfluxData, ASF Member & PMC Apache DataFusion & Apache Arrow
Olimpiu Pop - Technologist & Tech Journalist

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Olimpiu
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/olimpiupop

Links
https://www.influxdata.com/blog/flight-datafusion-arrow-parquet-fdap-architecture-influxdb
https://www.cidrdb.org/cidr2005/papers/P19.pdf

DESCRIPTION
Olimpiu Pop speaks with Andrew Lamb, staff engineer at InfluxData and PMC member of Apache DataFusion and Apache Arrow, about how modern data systems are built using standardized open source components rather than being developed from scratch.

Andrew discusses the FDAP Stack (Flight, DataFusion, Arrow & Parquet), the shift from row-based to columnar data storage, and how technologies like Apache Iceberg are enabling a new era of interoperability across data platforms. The discussion covers why this modular approach saves years of development time while providing better performance and compatibility.

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Kasun Indrasiri & Danesh Kuruppu • gRPC: Up and Running • https://amzn.to/3sBGBJJ
Tomer Shiran, Jason Hughes & Alex Merced • Apache Iceberg: The Definitive Guide • https://amzn.to/488Z30k
William Smith • Arrow Flight Protocols and Practices • https://amzn.to/4o2Q2fd
Matthew Topol • In-Memory Analytics with Apache Arrow • https://amzn.to/4oJQ6BM
Apache Parquet A Complete Guide • https://amzn.to/4i7HVN6

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Daniel Kusswurm - SW Developer, Computer Scientist & Author of "Modern X86 Assembly Language Programming" & many more books
Matt Godbolt - Low-level Latency Geek & Creator of Compiler Explorer

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Links
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https://youtu.be/L2Qu9rk05rE
https://youtu.be/-HNpim5x-IE
https://youtu.be/hgcNM-6wr34

DESCRIPTION
Matt Godbolt, creator of Compiler Explorer, interviews Daniel Kusswurm, author of "Modern X86 Assembly Language Programming", about the enduring relevance of assembly language in modern software development. They explore what SIMD (Single Instruction, Multiple Data) is and why it enables dramatic performance improvements for specific computational tasks, discuss when assembly language programming is justified versus using compiler intrinsics, and examine the challenges of writing vectorized algorithms. Dan shares insights from his career optimizing image analysis software and explains how understanding low-level architecture can improve code quality even when writing in higher-level languages.

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Daniel Kusswurm • Modern X86 Assembly Language Programming v3 • https://amzn.to/44hIVZf
Daniel Kusswurm • Modern X86 Assembly Language Programming v2 • https://amzn.to/3LJlMIZ
Daniel Kusswurm • Modern X86 Assembly Language Programming v1 • https://amzn.to/43DPANj
Daniel Kusswurm • Modern Arm Assembly Language Programming • https://amzn.to/4rbyH6M
Daniel Kusswurm • Practical C++ STL Programming • https://amzn.to/4ickAdq
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Dr. Larysa Visengeriyeva - Author of "The AI Engineer’s Guide to Surviving the EU AI Act" & Independent Consultant for EU AI Act Engineering
Barbara Lampl - Behavioral Mathematician at empathic business by Barbara Lampl

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Barbara
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Links
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https://github.com/visenger/awesome-mlops
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2024/1689/oj/eng
https://machinelearningcanvas.com
https://louisdorard.gumroad.com/l/mlcanvas
https://ml-ops.org/content/crisp-ml

DESCRIPTION
Barbara Lampl interviews Larysa Visengeriyeva, software engineer and "godmother of MLOps", about her new book on AI engineering and compliance. What starts as a discussion about the EU AI Act quickly reveals a deeper truth: the real challenge isn't regulatory compliance - it's fundamental engineering practices.

Larysa argues that quality AI systems require robust MLOps, comprehensive documentation, and proper data governance, whether regulation mandates it or not. Drawing from frameworks like CRISP-ML and the Machine Learning Canvas, the book provides practical checklists and methodologies for taking AI projects from prototype to production. Written partially in Ukraine during wartime, this "battle-tested" guide addresses the gap between technical and non-technical stakeholders, offering a common language for building sustainable AI systems.

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Larysa Visengeriyeva • The AI Engineer's Guide to Surviving the EU AI Act • https://amzn.to/42SKOuU
Lakshmanan, Robinson & Munn • Machine Learning Design Patterns • https://amzn.to/4ox4Eos
Phil Winder • Reinforcement Learning • https://amzn.to/3t1S1VZ
Diana Montalion • Learning Systems Thinking • https://amzn.to/3ZpycdJ
Bernd Rücker • Practical Process Automation • https://amzn.to/3cs3BSH
Lauren Maffeo • Designing Data Governance from the Ground Up • https://amzn.to/3QhIlnV
Katharine Jarmul • Practical Data Privacy • https://amzn.to/46XPrns
Zhamak Dehghani • Data Mesh • https://amzn.to/3tTCwAC
Kate Stanley & Mickael Maison • Kafka Connect • https://amzn.to/40Jq5Jz

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Maurice Naftalin - Architect, Trainer & Co-Author of "Java Generics & Collections"
Stuart Marks - Java & OpenJDK at Oracle & Technical Editor of "Java Generics & Collections"

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Maurice
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Stuart
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https://stuartmarks.wordpress.com

DESCRIPTION
Maurice Naftalin and Stuart Marks discuss the second edition of "Java Generics and Collections", published 19 years after the original. The conversation explores how Java programming has evolved from Java 5 to Java 25, covering major shifts like the move toward immutability, the introduction of sequenced collections, streams, and unmodifiable collections.

They delve into critical design topics including encapsulation of collections, the anemic domain model anti-pattern, the controversial unsupported operation exception, and the challenges of null handling. The book includes new chapters on usage guidance and design retrospectives that reflect decades of accumulated wisdom about the Collections Framework.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Maurice Naftalin & Philip Wadler • Java Generics and Collections 2nd ed • https://amzn.to/47dOp9t
Maurice Naftalin & Philip Wadler • Java Generics and Collections 1st ed • https://amzn.to/42JI03i
Joshua Bloch • Effective Java • https://amzn.to/4oFbdoi
Victor Grazi & Jeanne Boyarsky • Real-World Java • https://amzn.to/4oCEeBR
Kevlin Henney & Trisha Gee • 97 Things Every Java Programmer Should Know • https://amzn.to/3kiTwJJ
Christian Clausen • Five Lines of Code • https://amzn.to/3s2zjyg
Nicolai Parlog • The Java Module System • https://amzn.to/3xFggR4

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Ben Smith - Staff Developer Advocate at Stripe
James Beswick - Head of Developer Relations at Stripe

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Ben
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https://linkedin.com/in/bensmithportfolio
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James
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Links
https://stripe.dev
https://serverlessland.com

DESCRIPTION
James Beswick and Ben Smith explore the evolution of modern software architecture. They discuss why workflow services are essential for managing distributed systems, the challenges of microservices versus monoliths, and the power of plugin architectures.

The conversation covers practical topics like idempotency, circuit breaker patterns, and the importance of observability, while also diving into what makes a great developer advocate and how to build demos that truly resonate with developers.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Simon Brown • Software Architecture for Developers Vol. 2 • https://leanpub.com/visualising-software-architecture
David Farley • Modern Software Engineering • https://amzn.to/3GI468M
Kim, Humble, Debois, Willis & Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook • https://amzn.to/47oAf3l
Simon Wardley • Wardley Maps • https://amzn.to/45U8Upr
Simon Wardley • Wardley Mapping, The Knowledge • https://amzn.to/3XQEeDu
David Anderson, Marck McCann & Michael O'Reilly • The Value Flywheel Effect • https://amzn.to/3VcHxC
Mike Amundsen • Restful Web API Patterns & Practices Cookbook • https://amzn.to/3C74fpH

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Michael Nygard - Chief Architect at Nubank & Author of "Release It!"
Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant

FULL TALK TITLE
Building Software That Survives: Autonomy, Architecture & Alignment at Scale

RESOURCES
Michael
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Charles
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DESCRIPTION
Michael Nygard, author of the influential "Release It!" and Chief Architect at Nuank, discusses his journey from programmer to technical leader.

In this conversation, he shares insights from major transformation projects at Sabre and Nubank, exploring the nuances of centralization versus autonomy, the often-misunderstood implications of Conway's Law, and how architectural boundaries can reduce the need for constant organizational alignment.

He emphasizes that effective technical leadership involves more than reorganizations - it requires understanding communication structures, celebrating the right behaviors, and creating systems that enable teams to operate independently within well-defined boundaries.

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Michael Nygard • Release It! 2nd Edition • https://amzn.to/3WJeKV8
Michael Nygard • Release It! 1st Edition • https://amzn.to/3XCkiRf
Richard Monson-Haefel • 97 Things Every Software Architect Should Know • https://amzn.to/3JdRYU2
Charles Humble • Professional Skills for Software Engineers • https://www.conissaunce.com/professional-skills-shortcut
Patterson, Grenny, McMillan & Switzler • Crucial Conversations • https://amzn.to/3LhGHTa
Yevgeniy Brikman • Fundamentals of DevOps and Software Delivery • https://amzn.to/3WMPMFU
Tod Golding • Building Multi-Tenant SaaS Architectures • https://amzn.to/3YfM49o
Jacqui Read • Communication Patterns • https://amzn.to/3E37lvv
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • http://amzn.to/3sVLyLQ
James Stanier • Become an Effective Software Engineering Manager • https://amzn.to/3vHrx1E

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Yevgeniy "Jim" Brikman - Author of "Fundamentals of DevOps and Software Delivery" & Co-Founder of Gruntwork
Kief Morris - Author of "Infrastructure as Code" & Distinguished Engineer at Thoughtworks

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Yevgeniy (Jim)
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Kief
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https://infrastructure-as-code.com
https://kief.com

Link
https://terragrunt.gruntwork.io

DESCRIPTION
Yevgeniy (Jim) Brikman, author of "Fundamentals of DevOps and Software Delivery", discusses his journey from app developer to DevOps advocate, triggered by LinkedIn's deployment crisis that required freezing all product development for months. The discussion with Kief Morris explores the practical definition of DevOps as efficient software delivery methodology, the relationship between infrastructure as code and application orchestration tools, the necessity of frameworks over custom wrapper scripts, and emerging paradigms including infrastructure from code, infrastructure as graph models, and interactive runbooks.

Jim emphasizes that while new approaches are interesting, maturity and standardization in existing tools often provides more value than constantly chasing new technologies.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Yevgeniy Brikman • Fundamentals of DevOps and Software Delivery • https://amzn.to/3WMPMFU
Yevgeniy Brikman • Terraform: Up and Running • https://amzn.to/4otpxQL
Yevgeniy Brikman • Hello, Startup • https://amzn.to/3JmV0VR
Kief Morris • Infrastructure as Code • https://amzn.to/4e6EBQc
Mauricio Salatino • Platform Engineering on Kubernetes • https://amzn.to/3X14qZK
Charity Majors, Liz Fong-Jones & George Miranda • Observability Engineering • https://amzn.to/38scbma

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