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Marcin Moskala - Fullstack Kotlin Developer, Founder of Kt. Academy & Author of "Effective Kotlin", et al.
Nicola Corti - Staff Android Engineer at Meta, React Native Core Team Member & Open Source Lover

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Marcin
https://x.com/marcinmoskala
https://kt.academy
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Nicola
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https://github.com/cortinico
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Links
https://developer.android.com/develop/ui/compose/kotlin
https://detekt.dev
https://www.abreslav.com
https://kt.academy/article/ek-composition
https://kt.academy/article/books-kotlin-for-developers-ready

DESCRIPTION
In this episode of the "GOTO Book Club", Nicola Corti talks to Marcin Moskala, author of "Effective Kotlin", to unravel the inspiration, evolution, and community impact of his work.

Moskala reflects on his decade-long journey with Kotlin, revealing how his book bridges the gap between Java-centric practices and Kotlin’s idiomatic potential. The discussion spans essential topics like factory functions, composition over inheritance, and the iterative process behind curating best practices tailored to Kotlin’s strengths.

Marcin also highlights the "Kotlin for Developers" series and his Give IT Forward initiative, showcasing his commitment to empowering developers and fostering accessible programming education worldwide.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Marcin Moskala • Effective Kotlin
Marcin Moskala • Kotlin Essentials
Marcin Moskala • Functional Kotlin
Marcin Moskala • Kotlin Coroutines
Marcin Moskala • Advanced Kotlin
Marcin Moskala & Igor Wojda • Android Development with Kotlin
Venkat Subramaniam • Programming Kotlin

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Thomas Johnson - Co-Founder & CTO at Multiplayer
Julian Wood - Serverless Developer Advocate at AWS

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Tom
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Links
https://www.multiplayer.app

DESCRIPTION
Julian Wood and Tom Johnson explore the complexities of modern software development, with Tom sharing his journey from machine learning and distributed systems to founding Multiplayer, a company focused on simplifying development by automating documentation, debugging, and system design.

They discuss the challenges of building and managing complex software architectures, especially with microservices and cloud platforms, and the need for better tooling to address these issues. Tom emphasizes the importance of simplicity, collaboration, and transparency in development, especially when it comes to API design and managing system dependencies. They also explore best practices for team communication, the evolving role of platform engineering, and the shift toward a future where infrastructure is abstracted away, allowing developers to focus on software creation.

Together, they envision a world where better tools and AI lower the barrier to entry for developers, driving innovation and enabling more people to bring their ideas to life.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Simon Brown • Software Architecture for Developers Vol. 2
David Farley • Modern Software Engineering
Kim, Humble, Debois, Willis & Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook
Simon Wardley • Wardley Maps
Simon Wardley • Wardley Mapping, The Knowledge
David Anderson, Marck McCann & Michael O'Reilly • The Value Flywheel Effect
Mike Amundsen • Restful Web API Patterns & Practices Cookbook

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Jacqui Read - Software Architect, Speaker & Author of "Communication Patterns"
Gregor Hohpe - Author of "Platform Strategy", "The Software Architect Elevator", et al.

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Links
https://acedmodel.com

DESCRIPTION
Jacqui Read and Gregor Hohpe discuss her book "Communication Patterns", which aims to bridge the gap in effective communication for software professionals. Jacqui highlights the importance of core communication skills, covering topics like visuals, writing, knowledge management, and remote collaboration.

The book offers practical patterns for improving diagrams, addressing multimodal communication issues, and ensuring accessibility, particularly for neurodiverse individuals. Jacqui also introduces her upcoming ACED Model, a strategic framework to align software development with business needs while remaining adaptable.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Jacqui Read • Communication Patterns
Gregor Hohpe • Platform Strategy
Gregor Hohpe • The Software Architect Elevator
Gregor Hohpe • Cloud Strategy
Gregor Hohpe • Enterprise Integration Patterns, Vol 2
Gregor Hohpe & Bobby Woolf • Enterprise Integration Patterns
Erich Gamma, Richard Helm, Ralph Johnson, John Vlissides • Design Patterns
Neal Ford, Matthew McCullough & Nathaniel Schutta • Presentation Patterns
Martin Fowler • UML Distilled

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Kent Beck - Software Engineer & Creator of Extreme Programming
Daniel Terhorst-North - Originator of Behavior Driven Development (BDD) & Principal at Dan North & Associates

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http://dannorth.net/blog

DESCRIPTION
Kent Beck and Daniel Terhorst-North reflect on the evolution of Extreme Programming (XP) and its lasting impact on agile software development. They explore the importance of short feedback loops, iterative learning, and adaptability in different phases of product development, as outlined in Beck’s 3X model (Exploration, Expansion, Extraction).

Kent introduces radical techniques like Test && Commit || Revert (TCR) and Limbo, which challenge traditional coding and collaboration practices by emphasizing tiny, safe iterations. The conversation ties in psychological safety, a key factor in high-performing teams, as outlined by Amy C. Edmondson.

Kent envisions a future where software development scales in real-time, pushing teams to embrace faster experimentation, responsibility, and continuous learning in a rapidly evolving tech landscape.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Kent Beck • Tidy First?
Kent Beck & Cynthia Andres • Extreme Programming Explained
Amy C. Edmondson • The Fearless Organization
Amy C. Edmondson • Right Kind of Wrong
Jez Humble & David Farley • Continuous Delivery

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Stephen Fishman - Field CTO at Boomi & Co-Author of "Unbundling the Enterprise"
Matt McLarty - CTO at Boomi & Co-Author of "Unbundling the Enterprise"
Erik Wilde - Principal Consultant at INNOQ

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Stephen
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Matt
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Erik
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https://github.com/dret

Links
https://itrevolution.com/articles
https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages

DESCRIPTION
How can businesses thrive by embracing optionality through digital transformation?
Authors Matt McLarty and Stephen Fishman talk about their book “Unbundling the Enterprise” with Erik Wilde. They highlight the power of APIs and flexible systems in enabling companies to capitalize on unforeseen opportunities, or "happy accidents," and how low-cost experimentation can drive long-term success.

The conversation emphasizes that optionality is crucial not only in tech but also in business strategy, urging organizations to view their digital capabilities as part of a broader platform that supports both developer empowerment and revenue growth. With insights on optimization, platform engineering, and the importance of aligning technology with business objectives, the authors offer a roadmap for companies to navigate the future with agility and resilience.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Stephen Fishman & Matt McLarty • Unbundling the Enterprise
Carliss Y. Baldwin • Design Rules, Vol. 2
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies
Forsgren, Humble & Kim • Accelerate: The Science of Lean Software and DevOps
Kim, Humble, Debois, Willis & Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook
Mik Kersten • Project to Product
Andrew Harmel-Law • Facilitating Software Architecture

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Hannah Foxwell - Independent Consultant & Founder of "AI for the rest of us"
Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant

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https://conissaunce.com

DESCRIPTION
Charles Humble and Hannah Foxwell explore the multifaceted challenges and opportunities presented by emerging technologies, modern work practices, and management dynamics.

They emphasize the importance of methodologies like pair programming, flexible work designs, and inclusive team environments, especially for accommodating neurodiverse and introverted individuals.
Foxwell introduces the “three-teams model” to guide new managers in aligning with direct reports, leadership peers, and cross-functional collaborators. She underscores the significance of equitable leadership through mentorship, coaching, and sponsorship, particularly for underrepresented groups.

Exploring  AI’s potential, Foxwell highlights its transformative impact on software development and enterprise processes while cautioning against rushed adoption. She advocates for thoughtful experimentation and user-centric design, noting the need for cultural and structural shifts to fully realize AI’s benefits. Ultimately, the conversation centers on intentionality, empathy, and the need for organizations to balance innovation with human-centric practices. [...]

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Kim, Humble, Debois, Willis & Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook
Jez Humble & David Farley • Continuous Delivery
Barbara Oakley • A Mind For Numbers
Pooja K. Agarwal & Patrice M. Bain • Powerful Teaching
Barbara Oakley & Olav Schewe • Learn Like a Pro
Daniel Kahneman • Thinking, Fast and Slow
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topolog

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Andrew Harmel-Law - Technical Principal at Thoughtworks & Author of "Facilitating Software Architecture"
Sonya Natanzon - Senior Director of Software Engineering at Guardant Health

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Sonya
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Links
https://facilitatingsoftwarearchitecture.com
https://martinfowler.com/articles
https://www.thoughtworks.com/radar/techniques
https://www.cognitect.com/blog/2011/11/15
https://medium.com/@vanessamformicola

DESCRIPTION
Sonya Natanzon and Andrew Harmel-Law explore key concepts from Andrew’s book, fostering decentralized sociotechnical systems, emphasizing the importance of embracing imperfection in decision-making, and combating cognitive biases like the framing effect.

They highlight the shift to prioritizing learning, adaptability, and small, fast iterations in socio-technical systems. Andrew discusses psychological safety as vital for empowering teams to innovate while maintaining accountability, advocating for experimentation and collective ownership of evolving codebases. Together, they underline the importance of balancing creativity and structure to build resilient, adaptive systems that thrive in complexity.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Andrew Harmel-Law • Facilitating Software Architecture
Diana Montalion • Learning Systems Thinking
Donald G. Reinertsen • The Principles of Product Development Flow
Alexander, Ishikawa, Silverstein, Jacobson, Fiksdahl-King & Ange • A Pattern Language
Patty McCord • Powerful
Shoshana Zuboff • The Age of Surveillance Capitalism
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Tea

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Tudor Girba - Software Environmentalist and CEO of feenk
Julian Wood - Serverless Developer Advocate at AWS

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Tudor
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https://github.com/girba
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http://www.tudorgirba.com
https://medium.com/@girba

Julian
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http://www.wooditwork.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/julianrwood

DESCRIPTION
Get a sneak peak into the concept of moldable development as a transformative approach through a discussion between Tudor Girba and Julian Wood. By emphasizing the creation of tailored, flexible tools, Girba presents a way to reduce the friction of working with complex systems and legacy code. He explores how contextualized tools, such as those provided by the Glamorous Toolkit, allow developers to engage with software environments in a more intuitive and efficient manner.

The integration of generative AI is also examined, where Girba argues that AI's true potential lies not in providing definitive answers but in assisting developers by generating hypotheses and creating tools that support deeper engagement with code. Additionally, the concept of "habitability" is introduced, proposing that software systems, like physical spaces, should be navigable and comprehensible to developers, fostering a more productive and enjoyable experience.

This vision of a future where software systems are more accessible and adaptable reflects the growing need to rethink how we interact with code, empowering developers with the tools and perspectives necessary to navigate increasingly complex digital landscapes.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Richard P. Gabriel • Patterns of Software
Susanne Kaiser • Adaptive Systems With Domain-Driven Design, Wardley Mapping, and Team Topologies
Eric Evans • Domain-Driven Design
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies
Heidi Helfand • Dynamic Reteaming
Vlad Khononov • Learning Domain-Driven Design
Erik Schön • The Art of Strategy
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Evelyn van Kelle - Behavioral Change Consultant at Xebia
Gien Verschatse - Senior Consultant at Aardling
Kenny Baas-Schwegler - Collaborative Modeling Facilitator at Weave IT
Xin Yao - Independent Consultant Contextualizing DDD & Sociotechnical Architecture

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Evelyn
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Gien
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https://www.gienverschatse.com

Kenny
https://bsky.app/profile/kenny.weave-it.org
https://weave-it.org

Xin
https://www.linkedin.com/in/xinxin
https://bsky.app/profile/settling-mud.bsky.social

Links
https://collaborative-software-design.com
https://bsky.app/profile/collaborative-software-design.com

DESCRIPTION
In a spirited discussion on collaborative modeling and decision-making, the the authors of “Collaborative Software Design: How to Facilitate Domain Modeling Decisions”—Evelyn vVan Kelle, Gien Verschatse, and Kenny Baas-Schwegler—explored the power of inclusive decision-making, shared understanding, and how to navigate social dynamics like bias, ranking and conflict in teams together with Xin Yao.

They highlighted the importance of facilitating not just through structured methods, but by empowering everyone in the team to contribute and lead decisions. Drawing from their experiences, they shared insights into the process of making better decisions through collaboration, the impact of "Deep Democracy", and the value of being able to step back and allow teams to thrive independently. Their conversation also touched on resources like Thinking, Fast and Slow, Jam Cultures, and Sitting in the Fire—tools to help teams make smarter decisions and grow together.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
van Kelle, Verschatse &Baas-Schwegler • Collaborative Software Design
Jitske Kramer • Jam Cultures
Danielle Braun & Jitske Kramer • The Corporate Tribe
Arnold Mindell • Sitting in the Fire
Daniel Kahneman • Thinking, Fast and Slow
Ge

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Prof. Dr. Barbara Oakley - Professor of Engineering at Oakland University & Author of Numerous Books
Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant

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Barbara
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Charles
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DESCRIPTION
Barbara Oakley, renowned author and polymath joins Charles Humble for a deep dive into the brain's modes of operation, exploring the focused and diffuse modes of thinking, which together enhance learning by balancing task-oriented problem-solving with creativity.

They emphasize the importance of mental relaxation and the role of exercise, sleep, and a healthy diet in boosting cognitive function. Key concepts such as deliberate practice, retrieval practice, and the value of psychological safety in team dynamics are explored, offering insights into effective learning and collaboration. The relationship between working memory and long-term memory is examined, highlighting how techniques like the Pomodoro Technique and spaced repetition optimize retention. Additionally, the conversation underscores the potential of AI in education, encouraging its integration despite concerns among educators.

Lastly, the phenomenon of rustiness in skill retention is explained through the dynamics of neural connections, with a hopeful outlook on the future of neuroscience research in understanding conditions like autism and dyslexia.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Barbara Oakley • A Mind For Numbers
Pooja K. Agarwal & Patrice M. Bain • Powerful Teaching
Barbara Oakley & Olav Schewe • Learn Like a Pro
Barbara Oakley, Beth Rogowsky & Terrence J. Sejnowski • Uncommon Sense Teaching
Barbara Oakley & Terrence J. Sejnowski • Learning How to Learn
Barbara Oakley • Mindshift
Heidi Helfand • Dynamic Reteaming
Daniel Kahneman • Thinking, Fast and Slow
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies

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