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Simon Rohrer - Co-Author of "Better Value Sooner Safer Happier" & Senior Director at Saxo Bank
Eduardo da Sliva - Independent Consultant on Organization, Architecture, and Leadership Modernization

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Simon
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https://github.com/sirohrer
https://www.soonersaferhappier.com

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https://www.linkedin.com/in/emgsilva
https://github.com/emgsilva
https://esilva.net

DESCRIPTION
Eduardo da Silva and Simon Rohrer discuss the core ideas of "Better Value Sooner Safer Happier" diving into the principles of organizational transformation.

Simon shares insights on the shift from output-driven to outcome-focused thinking, emphasizing value over productivity, and the need for continuous improvement in delivery speed, stakeholder satisfaction, and safety.
The conversation explores key concepts like technical excellence, integrating safety into development, and balancing incremental changes with occasional larger steps.

Simon Rohrer discusses organizational patterns and the importance of decentralizing decision-making, recommending a flexible, context-driven approach to transformation. The session concludes with practical advice on how to start implementing these ideas, using the book’s map to guide organizations toward the right transformation strategy based on their specific goals.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Jonathan Smart, Zsolt Berend, Myles Ogilvie & Simon Rohrer • Sooner Safer Happier
Stephen Fishman & Matt McLarty • Unbundling the Enterprise
Carliss Y. Baldwin • Design Rules, Vol. 2
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies
Forsgren, Humble & Kim • Accelerate: The Science of Lean Software and DevOps
Kim, Humble, Debois, Willis & Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook

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Manuel Pais - Co-Author of the Book "Team Topologies"
Julian Wood - Serverless Developer Advocate at AWS 

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Manuel
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Julian
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/julianrwood

Links
https://teamtopologies.com
https://academy.teamtopologies.com
https://www.teamperature.com
https://itrevolution.com
https://matthewskelton.com

DESCRIPTION
Manuel Pais, co-author of Team Topologies, shares his journey in shaping modern organizational design for fast-flow efficiency with Julian Wood. Reflecting on the widespread impact of the book, Manuel explores how its principles have enabled organizations to redefine team structures, streamline value delivery, and balance cognitive load.

The discussion covers communication challenges, the evolution of platform engineering, and strategies for iterative team reorganization. Manuel also addresses the growing influence of AI in software development, emphasizing the need for human oversight, strategic alignment with value streams, and enabling teams to harness AI effectively. With insights from real-world implementations and evolving trends, this episode provides a comprehensive guide to building adaptable, customer-focused, and innovative organizations.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies
Susanne Kaiser • Adaptive Systems With Domain-Driven Design, Wardley Mapping & Team Topologies
Heidi Helfand • Dynamic Reteaming
Gene Kim, Kevin Behr & George Spafford • The Phoenix Project
Gene Kim, Nicole Forsgren & Jez Humble • Accelerate
Gene Kim, Jez Humble, Patrick Debois, John Willis & Nicole Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook
Jonathan Smart • Sooner Safer Happier

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Marcin Moskala - Fullstack Kotlin Developer, Founder of Kt. Academy & Author of "Effective Kotlin", et al.
Nicola Corti - Staff Android Engineer at Meta, React Native Core Team Member & Open Source Lover

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Marcin
https://x.com/marcinmoskala
https://kt.academy
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Nicola
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https://github.com/cortinico
https://www.linkedin.com/in/cortinico

Links
https://developer.android.com/develop/ui/compose/kotlin
https://detekt.dev
https://www.abreslav.com
https://kt.academy/article/ek-composition
https://kt.academy/article/books-kotlin-for-developers-ready

DESCRIPTION
In this episode of the "GOTO Book Club", Nicola Corti talks to Marcin Moskala, author of "Effective Kotlin", to unravel the inspiration, evolution, and community impact of his work.

Moskala reflects on his decade-long journey with Kotlin, revealing how his book bridges the gap between Java-centric practices and Kotlin’s idiomatic potential. The discussion spans essential topics like factory functions, composition over inheritance, and the iterative process behind curating best practices tailored to Kotlin’s strengths.

Marcin also highlights the "Kotlin for Developers" series and his Give IT Forward initiative, showcasing his commitment to empowering developers and fostering accessible programming education worldwide.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Marcin Moskala • Effective Kotlin
Marcin Moskala • Kotlin Essentials
Marcin Moskala • Functional Kotlin
Marcin Moskala • Kotlin Coroutines
Marcin Moskala • Advanced Kotlin
Marcin Moskala & Igor Wojda • Android Development with Kotlin
Venkat Subramaniam • Programming Kotlin

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Thomas Johnson - Co-Founder & CTO at Multiplayer
Julian Wood - Serverless Developer Advocate at AWS

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Tom
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Julian
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/julianrwood

Links
https://www.multiplayer.app

DESCRIPTION
Julian Wood and Tom Johnson explore the complexities of modern software development, with Tom sharing his journey from machine learning and distributed systems to founding Multiplayer, a company focused on simplifying development by automating documentation, debugging, and system design.

They discuss the challenges of building and managing complex software architectures, especially with microservices and cloud platforms, and the need for better tooling to address these issues. Tom emphasizes the importance of simplicity, collaboration, and transparency in development, especially when it comes to API design and managing system dependencies. They also explore best practices for team communication, the evolving role of platform engineering, and the shift toward a future where infrastructure is abstracted away, allowing developers to focus on software creation.

Together, they envision a world where better tools and AI lower the barrier to entry for developers, driving innovation and enabling more people to bring their ideas to life.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Simon Brown • Software Architecture for Developers Vol. 2
David Farley • Modern Software Engineering
Kim, Humble, Debois, Willis & Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook
Simon Wardley • Wardley Maps
Simon Wardley • Wardley Mapping, The Knowledge
David Anderson, Marck McCann & Michael O'Reilly • The Value Flywheel Effect
Mike Amundsen • Restful Web API Patterns & Practices Cookbook

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Jacqui Read - Software Architect, Speaker & Author of "Communication Patterns"
Gregor Hohpe - Author of "Platform Strategy", "The Software Architect Elevator", et al.

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Jacqui
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https://github.com/tekiegirl

Gregor
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https://architectelevator.com

Links
https://acedmodel.com

DESCRIPTION
Jacqui Read and Gregor Hohpe discuss her book "Communication Patterns", which aims to bridge the gap in effective communication for software professionals. Jacqui highlights the importance of core communication skills, covering topics like visuals, writing, knowledge management, and remote collaboration.

The book offers practical patterns for improving diagrams, addressing multimodal communication issues, and ensuring accessibility, particularly for neurodiverse individuals. Jacqui also introduces her upcoming ACED Model, a strategic framework to align software development with business needs while remaining adaptable.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Jacqui Read • Communication Patterns
Gregor Hohpe • Platform Strategy
Gregor Hohpe • The Software Architect Elevator
Gregor Hohpe • Cloud Strategy
Gregor Hohpe • Enterprise Integration Patterns, Vol 2
Gregor Hohpe & Bobby Woolf • Enterprise Integration Patterns
Erich Gamma, Richard Helm, Ralph Johnson, John Vlissides • Design Patterns
Neal Ford, Matthew McCullough & Nathaniel Schutta • Presentation Patterns
Martin Fowler • UML Distilled

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Kent Beck - Software Engineer & Creator of Extreme Programming
Daniel Terhorst-North - Originator of Behavior Driven Development (BDD) & Principal at Dan North & Associates

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Kent
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http://dannorth.net/blog

DESCRIPTION
Kent Beck and Daniel Terhorst-North reflect on the evolution of Extreme Programming (XP) and its lasting impact on agile software development. They explore the importance of short feedback loops, iterative learning, and adaptability in different phases of product development, as outlined in Beck’s 3X model (Exploration, Expansion, Extraction).

Kent introduces radical techniques like Test && Commit || Revert (TCR) and Limbo, which challenge traditional coding and collaboration practices by emphasizing tiny, safe iterations. The conversation ties in psychological safety, a key factor in high-performing teams, as outlined by Amy C. Edmondson.

Kent envisions a future where software development scales in real-time, pushing teams to embrace faster experimentation, responsibility, and continuous learning in a rapidly evolving tech landscape.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Kent Beck • Tidy First?
Kent Beck & Cynthia Andres • Extreme Programming Explained
Amy C. Edmondson • The Fearless Organization
Amy C. Edmondson • Right Kind of Wrong
Jez Humble & David Farley • Continuous Delivery

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Stephen Fishman - Field CTO at Boomi & Co-Author of "Unbundling the Enterprise"
Matt McLarty - CTO at Boomi & Co-Author of "Unbundling the Enterprise"
Erik Wilde - Principal Consultant at INNOQ

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Stephen
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Matt
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Erik
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https://github.com/dret

Links
https://itrevolution.com/articles
https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages

DESCRIPTION
How can businesses thrive by embracing optionality through digital transformation?
Authors Matt McLarty and Stephen Fishman talk about their book “Unbundling the Enterprise” with Erik Wilde. They highlight the power of APIs and flexible systems in enabling companies to capitalize on unforeseen opportunities, or "happy accidents," and how low-cost experimentation can drive long-term success.

The conversation emphasizes that optionality is crucial not only in tech but also in business strategy, urging organizations to view their digital capabilities as part of a broader platform that supports both developer empowerment and revenue growth. With insights on optimization, platform engineering, and the importance of aligning technology with business objectives, the authors offer a roadmap for companies to navigate the future with agility and resilience.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Stephen Fishman & Matt McLarty • Unbundling the Enterprise
Carliss Y. Baldwin • Design Rules, Vol. 2
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies
Forsgren, Humble & Kim • Accelerate: The Science of Lean Software and DevOps
Kim, Humble, Debois, Willis & Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook
Mik Kersten • Project to Product
Andrew Harmel-Law • Facilitating Software Architecture

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Hannah Foxwell - Independent Consultant & Founder of "AI for the rest of us"
Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant

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Hannah
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Charles
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https://conissaunce.com

DESCRIPTION
Charles Humble and Hannah Foxwell explore the multifaceted challenges and opportunities presented by emerging technologies, modern work practices, and management dynamics.

They emphasize the importance of methodologies like pair programming, flexible work designs, and inclusive team environments, especially for accommodating neurodiverse and introverted individuals.
Foxwell introduces the “three-teams model” to guide new managers in aligning with direct reports, leadership peers, and cross-functional collaborators. She underscores the significance of equitable leadership through mentorship, coaching, and sponsorship, particularly for underrepresented groups.

Exploring  AI’s potential, Foxwell highlights its transformative impact on software development and enterprise processes while cautioning against rushed adoption. She advocates for thoughtful experimentation and user-centric design, noting the need for cultural and structural shifts to fully realize AI’s benefits. Ultimately, the conversation centers on intentionality, empathy, and the need for organizations to balance innovation with human-centric practices. [...]

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Kim, Humble, Debois, Willis & Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook
Jez Humble & David Farley • Continuous Delivery
Barbara Oakley • A Mind For Numbers
Pooja K. Agarwal & Patrice M. Bain • Powerful Teaching
Barbara Oakley & Olav Schewe • Learn Like a Pro
Daniel Kahneman • Thinking, Fast and Slow
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topolog

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Andrew Harmel-Law - Technical Principal at Thoughtworks & Author of "Facilitating Software Architecture"
Sonya Natanzon - Senior Director of Software Engineering at Guardant Health

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Andrew
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Sonya
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Links
https://facilitatingsoftwarearchitecture.com
https://martinfowler.com/articles
https://www.thoughtworks.com/radar/techniques
https://www.cognitect.com/blog/2011/11/15
https://medium.com/@vanessamformicola

DESCRIPTION
Sonya Natanzon and Andrew Harmel-Law explore key concepts from Andrew’s book, fostering decentralized sociotechnical systems, emphasizing the importance of embracing imperfection in decision-making, and combating cognitive biases like the framing effect.

They highlight the shift to prioritizing learning, adaptability, and small, fast iterations in socio-technical systems. Andrew discusses psychological safety as vital for empowering teams to innovate while maintaining accountability, advocating for experimentation and collective ownership of evolving codebases. Together, they underline the importance of balancing creativity and structure to build resilient, adaptive systems that thrive in complexity.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Andrew Harmel-Law • Facilitating Software Architecture
Diana Montalion • Learning Systems Thinking
Donald G. Reinertsen • The Principles of Product Development Flow
Alexander, Ishikawa, Silverstein, Jacobson, Fiksdahl-King & Ange • A Pattern Language
Patty McCord • Powerful
Shoshana Zuboff • The Age of Surveillance Capitalism
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Tea

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Tudor Girba - Software Environmentalist and CEO of feenk
Julian Wood - Serverless Developer Advocate at AWS

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Tudor
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https://github.com/girba
https://www.linkedin.com/in/girba
http://www.tudorgirba.com
https://medium.com/@girba

Julian
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http://www.wooditwork.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/julianrwood

DESCRIPTION
Get a sneak peak into the concept of moldable development as a transformative approach through a discussion between Tudor Girba and Julian Wood. By emphasizing the creation of tailored, flexible tools, Girba presents a way to reduce the friction of working with complex systems and legacy code. He explores how contextualized tools, such as those provided by the Glamorous Toolkit, allow developers to engage with software environments in a more intuitive and efficient manner.

The integration of generative AI is also examined, where Girba argues that AI's true potential lies not in providing definitive answers but in assisting developers by generating hypotheses and creating tools that support deeper engagement with code. Additionally, the concept of "habitability" is introduced, proposing that software systems, like physical spaces, should be navigable and comprehensible to developers, fostering a more productive and enjoyable experience.

This vision of a future where software systems are more accessible and adaptable reflects the growing need to rethink how we interact with code, empowering developers with the tools and perspectives necessary to navigate increasingly complex digital landscapes.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Richard P. Gabriel • Patterns of Software
Susanne Kaiser • Adaptive Systems With Domain-Driven Design, Wardley Mapping, and Team Topologies
Eric Evans • Domain-Driven Design
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies
Heidi Helfand • Dynamic Reteaming
Vlad Khononov • Learning Domain-Driven Design
Erik Schön • The Art of Strategy
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