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Nat Pryce - Co-Author of "Growing Object­-Oriented Software Guided by Tests" & "Java to Kotlin"
Duncan McGregor - Co-Author of "Java to Kotlin" & Independent Consultant

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Nat
https://mastodon.social/@natpryce
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Duncan
https://twitter.com/duncanmcg
https://www.linkedin.com/in/duncan-mcgregor-a3038b6
https://github.com/dmcg
http://www.oneeyedmen.com
https://java-to-kotlin.dev

Links
https://www.meetup.com/extreme-tuesday-club-xtc
https://guava.dev/releases/21.0/api/docs/com/google/common/base/Function.html

DESCRIPTION
This conversation between Duncan McGregor and Nat Pryce explores the legacy of Nat's co-authored book "Growing Object-Oriented Software, Guided by Tests" (GOOS) and how software development practices have evolved in the past 15 years.

They discuss the origins of test-driven development (TDD) within London's Extreme Tuesday Club, the shift from object-oriented to functional programming paradigms, and how changing technology has influenced development approaches.

Key topics include outside-in vs bottom-up testing strategies, mock objects, the rise of microservices, and whether modern development practices have actually improved productivity.
The conversation provides valuable historica

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Adrienne Braganza Tacke - Senior Developer Advocate at Viam Robotics & Author of "Looks Good To Me: Constructive Code Reviews"
Saša Jurić - Author of "Elixir in Action" & The Ultimate Beacon in the Elixir Space

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Adrienne
https://bsky.app/profile/abt.bsky.social
https://x.com/AdrienneTacke
https://github.com/AdrienneTacke
https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennetacke
https://www.instagram.com/adriennetacke
https://www.adrienne.io
https://blog.adrienne.io

Saša
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https://twitter.com/sasajuric
https://github.com/sasa1977
https://linkedin.com/in/sa%C5%A1a-juri%C4%87-21b23186
https://www.theerlangelist.com

DESCRIPTION
Adrienne Braganza, author of "Looks Good to Me: Constructive Code Reviews", and Saša Jurić, author of “Elixir in Action”, explore best practices for effective code reviews. They discuss how smaller, well-organized pull requests lead to better feedback, the importance of comment classification, and when to take discussions offline. Both emphasize that code reviews aren't just about catching bugs—they're crucial for knowledge transfer and creating cohesive codebases.

While AI tools can help with routine aspects, human judgment remains essential, especially as AI-generated code becomes more common. The speakers agree that when done well, code reviews

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Russ Miles - Engineering Manager, Chaos Engineering Practitioner & Co-Author of "Cloud Native Application Protection Platforms"
James Lewis - Software Architect & Director at Thoughtworks

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Russ
https://bsky.app/profile/russmiles.bsky.social
https://github.com/russmiles
https://www.linkedin.com/in/russmiles

James
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https://twitter.com/boicy
https://linkedin.com/in/james-lewis-microservices
https://github.com/boicy
https://www.bovon.org

DESCRIPTION
In this episode of GOTO Book Club, James Lewis and Russ Miles discuss Cloud Native Application Protection Platforms (CNAPPs), focusing on how they promote collaboration across security and development teams.

Russ shares insights from his book, emphasizing the importance of OODA loops, balancing innovation with safety in platform design, and the benefits of off-the-shelf versus custom CNAPP solutions. Looking ahead, he predicts platform engineering will evolve into a commercial strategy like AWS and that AI will augment human decision-making, enhancing creativity and collaboration in the engineering field.

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Miles, Giguere & Smith • Cloud Native Application Protection Platforms
Mina, Warda, Marins & Miles • Digitalization of Financial Services in the Age of Cloud
Russ Miles • Learning Chaos Engineering
Dan Pilone & Russ Miles

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Simon Wardley - Thought Lord, Mapper, Mostly Good
Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant

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Simon
https://bsky.app/profile/swardley.bsky.social
https://me.dm/@swardley
https://twitter.com/swardley
https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonwardley
https://swardley.medium.com

Charles
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https://mastodon.social/@charleshumble
https://conissaunce.com

Links
https://www.wardleymaps.com
https://mapkeep.com
https://miro.com

DESCRIPTION
Simon Wardley and Charles Humble discuss the development of Wardley Mapping, a visual framework that helps organizations understand and navigate technological evolution. Moving beyond traditional business storytelling, the interview explores how mapping enables better strategic decision-making through understanding component evolution, inertia, and gameplay, while also addressing current technological shifts in AI and cyber-physical systems.

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Simon Wardley • Wardley Maps
Simon Wardley • Wardley Mapping, The Knowledge
Sun Tzu • The Art of War
Jonathan Allen & Thomas Blood • Reaching Cloud Velocity

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Simon Rohrer - Co-Author of "Better Value Sooner Safer Happier" & Senior Director at Saxo Bank
Eduardo da Sliva - Independent Consultant on Organization, Architecture, and Leadership Modernization

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Simon
https://bsky.app/profile/simon.bvssh.com
https://mastodon.social/@simonr
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonrohrer
https://github.com/sirohrer
https://www.soonersaferhappier.com

Eduardo
https://bsky.app/profile/esilva.net
https://mastodon.social/@eduardodasilva
https://x.com/emgsilva
https://www.linkedin.com/in/emgsilva
https://github.com/emgsilva
https://esilva.net

DESCRIPTION
Eduardo da Silva and Simon Rohrer discuss the core ideas of "Better Value Sooner Safer Happier" diving into the principles of organizational transformation.

Simon shares insights on the shift from output-driven to outcome-focused thinking, emphasizing value over productivity, and the need for continuous improvement in delivery speed, stakeholder satisfaction, and safety.
The conversation explores key concepts like technical excellence, integrating safety into development, and balancing incremental changes with occasional larger steps.

Simon Rohrer discusses organizational patterns and the importance of decentralizing decision-making, recommending a flexible, context-driven approach to transformation. The session

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Manuel Pais - Co-Author of the Book "Team Topologies"
Julian Wood - Serverless Developer Advocate at AWS 

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Manuel
https://x.com/manupaisable
https://www.manuelpais.net
https://www.linkedin.com/in/manuelpais
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Julian
https://bsky.app/profile/julianwood.com
https://twitter.com/julian_wood
http://www.wooditwork.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/julianrwood

Links
https://teamtopologies.com
https://academy.teamtopologies.com
https://www.teamperature.com
https://itrevolution.com
https://matthewskelton.com

DESCRIPTION
Manuel Pais, co-author of Team Topologies, shares his journey in shaping modern organizational design for fast-flow efficiency with Julian Wood. Reflecting on the widespread impact of the book, Manuel explores how its principles have enabled organizations to redefine team structures, streamline value delivery, and balance cognitive load.

The discussion covers communication challenges, the evolution of platform engineering, and strategies for iterative team reorganization. Manuel also addresses the growing influence of AI in software development, emphasizing the need for human oversight, strategic alignment with value streams, and enabling teams to harness AI effectively. With insights from real-world implementations and evolving trends, this ep

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Marcin Moskala - Fullstack Kotlin Developer, Founder of Kt. Academy & Author of "Effective Kotlin", et al.
Nicola Corti - Staff Android Engineer at Meta, React Native Core Team Member & Open Source Lover

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Marcin
https://x.com/marcinmoskala
https://kt.academy
https://github.com//marcinmoskala
https://www.instagram.com/cortinico

Nicola
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https://ncorti.com
https://github.com/cortinico
https://www.linkedin.com/in/cortinico

Links
https://developer.android.com/develop/ui/compose/kotlin
https://detekt.dev
https://www.abreslav.com
https://kt.academy/article/ek-composition
https://kt.academy/article/books-kotlin-for-developers-ready

DESCRIPTION
In this episode of the "GOTO Book Club", Nicola Corti talks to Marcin Moskala, author of "Effective Kotlin", to unravel the inspiration, evolution, and community impact of his work.

Moskala reflects on his decade-long journey with Kotlin, revealing how his book bridges the gap between Java-centric practices and Kotlin’s idiomatic potential. The discussion spans essential topics like factory functions, composition over inheritance, and the iterative process behind curating best practices tailored to Kotlin’s strengths.

Marcin also highlights the "Kotlin for Developers" series

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Thomas Johnson - Co-Founder & CTO at Multiplayer
Julian Wood - Serverless Developer Advocate at AWS

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Tom
https://x.com/tomjohnson3
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https://github.com/tomjohnson3

Julian
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https://twitter.com/julian_wood
http://www.wooditwork.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/julianrwood

Links
https://www.multiplayer.app

DESCRIPTION
Julian Wood and Tom Johnson explore the complexities of modern software development, with Tom sharing his journey from machine learning and distributed systems to founding Multiplayer, a company focused on simplifying development by automating documentation, debugging, and system design.

They discuss the challenges of building and managing complex software architectures, especially with microservices and cloud platforms, and the need for better tooling to address these issues. Tom emphasizes the importance of simplicity, collaboration, and transparency in development, especially when it comes to API design and managing system dependencies. They also explore best practices for team communication, the evolving role of platform engineering, and the shift toward a future where infrastructure is abstracted away, allowing developers to focus on software creation.

Together, they envision a world where better tools and AI lower the barrier to entry for developers, driving innovation and enabling more people to bring their ideas to life.

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Jacqui Read - Software Architect, Speaker & Author of "Communication Patterns"
Gregor Hohpe - Author of "Platform Strategy", "The Software Architect Elevator", et al.

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Jacqui
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https://jacquiread.com
https://fosstodon.org/@tekiegirl
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacquelineread
https://github.com/tekiegirl

Gregor
https://twitter.com/ghohpe
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ghohpe
https://architectelevator.com

Links
https://acedmodel.com

DESCRIPTION
Jacqui Read and Gregor Hohpe discuss her book "Communication Patterns", which aims to bridge the gap in effective communication for software professionals. Jacqui highlights the importance of core communication skills, covering topics like visuals, writing, knowledge management, and remote collaboration.

The book offers practical patterns for improving diagrams, addressing multimodal communication issues, and ensuring accessibility, particularly for neurodiverse individuals. Jacqui also introduces her upcoming ACED Model, a strategic framework to align software development with business needs while remaining adaptable.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Jacqui Read • Communication Patterns
Gregor Hohpe • Platform Strategy
Gregor Hohpe • The Software Architect Elevator
Gregor Hohpe • Cloud Strategy

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Kent Beck - Software Engineer & Creator of Extreme Programming
Daniel Terhorst-North - Originator of Behavior Driven Development (BDD) & Principal at Dan North & Associates

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Kent
https://bsky.app/profile/kentbeck.bsky.social
https://www.kentbeck.com
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/kentbeck

Daniel
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https://github.com/tastapod
https://mastodon.social/@tastapod
http://dannorth.net/blog

DESCRIPTION
Kent Beck and Daniel Terhorst-North reflect on the evolution of Extreme Programming (XP) and its lasting impact on agile software development. They explore the importance of short feedback loops, iterative learning, and adaptability in different phases of product development, as outlined in Beck’s 3X model (Exploration, Expansion, Extraction).

Kent introduces radical techniques like Test && Commit || Revert (TCR) and Limbo, which challenge traditional coding and collaboration practices by emphasizing tiny, safe iterations. The conversation ties in psychological safety, a key factor in high-performing teams, as outlined by Amy C. Edmondson.

Kent envisions a future where software development scales in real-time, pushing teams to embrace faster experimentation, responsibility, and continuous learning in a rapidly evolving tech lan

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