A special casual conversation with Dr. Phil Maffetone:

- Phil and Tawnee finally meet in person, at IMAZ... at last!!!

- Amanda Stevens placed 2nd at IMAZ and had a great year with the MAF approach, arguably the best year of her career... at 38 years old!

- Hear Amanda and Phil on the show back in June

- Tawnee's 30k race report with Phil's analysis and assessing progress for ultra training

- More on training intensity for healthy ultra taining

Answers to listener questions:

What is up with heart rate spikes at the start of a run? Is it ok to let HR spike if it settles at MAF? And the need to build out more of a base through easy warmups that include walking

Muscle cramps and fatigue at the end of a marathon that was not normal from past experiences. "I have hit the wall in races in the past when it felt like no matter what I thought my body wasn't going to go any faster than it wanted. This felt different. I definitely felt like I had the energy to keep up the pace, but I slowed to keep my muscles working." See the garmin data as you listen along.

Plus:

- What's up with this MAF Certification?

- Why does phil pack a cooler for road trips, and more on healthy eating habits...

- And more fun!