From the Tri-nations series in 1999 to the Pacific Four Series of 2025, Alice and Les talk through the history of the Black Ferns test international schedule. They then discuss questions put to New Zealand Rugby after the confirmation of an male Black Ferns coaching lineup and share answers given to them by women in the coaching pathway. Finishing with a comparison the Black Ferns team list they picked with their panel, to see if they would make any changes now that the Pacific Four Squad has been announced.

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