Sumit Bose speaks with Julia Hailes who advocated working with business for environmental change back in the 80s. 

She co-published the Green Consumer Guide in 1988, which kick started environmental consumerism and she made the bold step to say working with business was important if we are to really protect the planet.

Is Julia happy or disappointed with our progress four decades on? Does environmentalism need government to regulate to kick business into action and did she ever think net zero would become a mainstream issue? We talk through all this and more.

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