Someone who's heading to Tasmania to survive the fall of civilisation gets some advice from someone who's been there, done that. Kate Gracey is a self described "doomer" who is moving to southern Tasmania this December to grow potatoes while living on a farm with her son. Peter Harley, spent most of a decade in the 1980s living in a cooperative at Goongerah in East Gippsland, concerned about nuclear armageddon. We think they should talk. David Spratt joins Adam and Jed to host.