This is the second and final part of our conversation with Richard Heinberg, Senior Fellow with the Post Carbon Institute and regarded as one of the world's foremost advocates for a shift away from our current reliance on fossil fuels. Listen to the first part on Triple R on demand or on our podcast. Heinberg is the author of 13 books, including some seminal works with titles like The End of Growth: Adapting to Our New Economic Reality, and Powerdown: Options and Actions for a Post-Carbon World. His latest book is Our Renewable Future: Laying the Path to One Hundred Percent Clean Energy (available for free online!) co-authored with Berkeley energy expert David Fridley. If you want to do an online course with Richard, check out Think Resilience. Also. Sarah reviews pot noodles.