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Everywhere you look, “Wine Mom” and other alcohol-adjacent identity branding hits us in the face, marketed specifically to women and femmes as a way to unwind and cope with the ever-increasing demands of contemporary life. In this episode of Hoorf!, Elle chats with Kristy Sarausky, a grey-area drinking recovery coach, about grey-area drinking— that nebulous space between sobriety and rock bottom where so many of us find ourselves using booze to manage our stress and not manage our emotions and inner lives. Both Elle and Kristy share some vulnerable truths about their own histories with alcohol, their journeys to sobriety, and the reasons so many of us tend to reach for a bottle. Spoiler: it’s the trauma, mama.

Links to connect with Kristy, and to find resources she mentions, are **in the full show notes at hoorfpodcast.com

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