This conversation with Dezi and Neil was recorded in person while together in Kansas City for a gathering of microchurch networks. We stole away into a side room and had an incredible conversation about so many things, among which were topics like the prophetic and apostolic combo, the principles we work to embody, and the reframing of personal well-being for the missionary.

This episode is a very candid conversation with Alan Hirsch. Be warned, it navigates some sad waters at times. We dig into many topics that are so often avoided like death, failure, famine, and the future. Alans insights and encouragements were so good for each of us to hear and we hope you find this conversation as valuable as we did.

This is a follow up to our previous conversation on episode 22 'Building in Babylon.' This time we have Joel Repic with us sharing a bit about a recent encounter with the powers. There are a few moments in this episode that the picture and sound drops off as we edited out a few mentions of the actual location where Joel was in an effort to be cautious about the important work going on there.

This weeks episode is a deep dive into an attempt to address that question that we keep hearing, "What's with all this talk about Babylon?"

Rodney Fickas returns to join us for a discussion on the deep and sacred value of work itself.

In the conversation they spent some time remembering the words of Dorothy Sayers, in particular her essay 'Why Work'

Here is an audio version that Jon recorded on his other podcast called The Work Ethic

you can find the text here

After their time together in Orlando for the Exponential conference, the crew came back together to reflect on the role of prophetic practitioners in todays gatherings such as the conference. It's fascinating to hear Taylor and Hugh share about their experience talking about Brave Cities with the gathering of church planters they got to connect with.

Enjoy this conversation with Lance Ford

This is a really fun conversation about the call go to hell.

We invited Fitch to join us as we wrestle with the conviction that the gospel is not just Jesus. We are so grateful for this brothers life, work, and mind. We hope this conversation opens you up to a broader, deeper, more profound sense of just how immeasurably great the good news of the kingdom is.